Zink: Affirmative action dangerously shortsighted
October 16, 2012 •
The Supreme Court heard arguments last Wednesday over the propriety and legality of employing affirmative action in the college admissions process. Abigail Fisher, a white female rejected from the University of Texas at Austin, brought suit against UT claiming that she was denied admission while the university admitted less qualified minority students in furtherance of its desire to achieve a “critical mass” of minority students on campus.
I oppose the use of affirmative action in college admissions, the workplace and essentially any other setting. I am pleased that Fisher had the courage to revive this discussion, given the almost certainty that our hypersensitive, obsessively-politically-correct society would be quick to brand any white person willing to challenge this biased system of admissions as racist. In its effort to remedy the lingering effects of a more racially segregated past where one skin color was preferred over another, affirmative action has become its own insidious form of discrimination where the preference is not for one skin color over another, but for skin color over merit. And merit be damned as the country continues to self-medicate with affirmative action to relieve its guilt over a history of which most living today were not even a part. Yet we of merit, affirmative action’s victims, are now the ones who feel pressured to be silent for fear of accusations of racism. It is this unfairly presumed racism that supports a false, warped argument in the policy’s favor that has enabled affirmative action to continue for as long as it has.
The presumed racism of upper-middle-class white people is drastically misaligned. In fact, today, in terms of direct statements of discrimination and disdain, one is more likely to hear disapproving sneers about “rich white people” than anything derogatory about minorities. There certainly is no shortage of people who identify Mitt Romney and “his people” as disgusting, horrible people who deserve no respect but rather a plethora of unflattering associations. For fear of being cloaked socially with the “RWP” mantle, many seem to hastily make apologetic claims of empathy with other groups and to desperately reject this likely-fitting title by scoffing disdainfully at “RWP” somewhere in their disclaimer.
Affirmative action is disrespectful to its beneficiaries and should be offensive. One’s race should not be the determining factor to what makes them acceptable, in the college admissions process or otherwise. Who wants his or her entire range of hobbies, skills, talents and ambitions to take a backseat to his or her race, check marks on an application, irreparably skewing admissions officers’ attentions? The dream of the Civil Rights Movement was that all people be judged by who they are rather than by the color of their skin. Removing skin color as a barrier to the otherwise qualified is not the same as allowing it to trump the otherwise more qualified. Affirmative action is no less an ill than the ones Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. sought to cure.
While race is the target of most affirmative action programs, there are numerous small differences or disadvantaged affiliations that could benefit from such a preference if the desire is to compensate for all types of discrimination rather than race alone. Proponents argue that affirmative action is necessary to make up for centuries of slavery and segregation, in which virtually none of us living today were participants. Yet women, LGBT individuals, people of certain religious affiliations and others suffer presently in a society that remains as charged by differences today as in the past. The answer is not to award special preference to all of these individuals; it is to abolish affirmative action and to advance this country as the meritocracy that it must be for our future. We cannot afford to spend another generation, even another year, trying to make each other feel better about the past. In particular, youth-filled colleges are hardly appropriate environments to materialize such history-driven guilt trips.
UT rejected Abigail Fisher based on merit, but she says merit that was racialized – that is, merit categorized by racially motivated academic skews in a way that rejected Abigail in favor of lesser-qualified minority applicants with lower standards to meet. Sound familiar? I guess we only thought we had eliminated such discrimination nearly 50 years ago.
This column was published as part of a point-counterpart series. Read Jan Jaro’s column, “On campuses and in workplaces, affirmative action still vital.”
Editor’s Note: Due to technical difficulties, a previous version of this column was briefly removed from The Daily’s website during the first week of November. The Daily has restored the original column with the first 284 comments replicated below.
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284 Responses to “Zink: Affirmative action dangerously shortsighted”
- This Is Awful on October 17th, 2012 12:07 pm
“One’s race should not be the determining factor to what makes them acceptable, in the college admissions process or otherwise. Who wants his or her entire range of hobbies, skills, talents and ambitions to take a backseat to his or her race, check marks on an application, irreparably skewing admissions officers’ attentions?”
It would have been nice if the Daily could’ve found a freshman who did a little more research. This was not the basis of the case, and in fact, race being the determining factor in admissions was thrown out by the Supreme Court a decade ago. The writer clearly neglects facts to back this racially-charged piece. Where is the mention that all those students “ahead” of her were in the top 10% of their classes? Try again, Syd. Maybe next time :)
- Ugh on October 17th, 2012 12:41 pm
So the one argument, or rather, complaint, that is rehashed and repeated is that we should stop feeling bad about slavery because we weren’t involved? That’s all the writer thinks affirmative action is about? Clearly no research was done into institutionalized prejudice in higher education, or really, race, poverty, and higher education in general–or at least, any research doesn’t show up in this piece. I admit I don’t know as much as I should about the issue, but my mother is a former social worker and now works for an urban non-profit, and so even I would have more to back up a column about affirmative action. (But again, I wouldn’t, because I don’t think I know enough….) I get that this is an opinion piece, but even an opinion needs a clear, thought-out argument.
- LOL THIS IS EMBARRASSING on October 17th, 2012 12:49 pm
I’m from Texas and I guarantee you the reason this Fisher girl was rejected from UT is because SHE WASN’T IN THE TOP 8% PERCENT OF HER GRADUATING CLASS. All Texas public universities automatically admit any Texan applicant who is in the top 8% of their graduating class, thus it’s nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get into UT if you aren’t, since they already automatically accept a huge number of people. And you honestly are absolutely crazy if you think people going “ugh rich white people” is ANYTHING compared to what a lot of minorities go through.
- Miriamon October 17th, 2012 12:51 pm
So, that awkward moment when “the lingering effects of a more racially segregated past” are still pervasive and profound.
Man, I wish affirmative action weren’t necessary anymore. I wish we were truly color-blind, and race played no part in how we judge people’s trustworthiness, intelligence, and ability. But it does.
Did you know, Sydney, that a study showed that when otherwise IDENTICAL resumes–one with a “white” name and the other with a “Black” name–are sent to employers for callbacks, the employers inevitably pick the ones with the “white” names? Did you know that people of color are less likely to have access to the opportunities–gifted summer camps, practice SAT tests, extracurriculars–that got people like you and me into Northwestern to begin with?
I could go on and on, but I won’t. Take a class on sociology while you’re here. Please.
- Seriously? on October 17th, 2012 12:58 pm
This article reeks of privilege. It is clearly written by someone who has never had to suffer from institutionalized racism or discrimination. I’m white, and I know It’s easy to ignore systematic discrimination when you’re not on the receiving end of it. But for god’s sake look around you and realize that not everyone gets the benefits you take for granted – benefits you receive because you were lucky enough to be born white in America.
Also, trying to act like white people suffer from racism the same way minorities do is just embarrassing. If white people ever become systematically oppressed by another race, then maybe that argument will hold some weight. But since that’s never happened and you live in a country dominated by white ideals, that argument is garbage.
- Vanessa on October 17th, 2012 1:03 pm
You know, I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt, Im sure this girl is very nice and not a racist at all.
I then read the article, and while I’m still sure she doesn’t think she’s a racist, using phrases like “our hypersensitive, obsessively-politically-correctsociety”, “unfairly presumed racism” really puts her very close to the edge of it. She’s only a freshman and I don’t know her or what her experience with people of color is, but she would really benefit from understanding the term “white privilege”.
She then wrote this: “In fact, today, in terms of direct statements of discrimination and disdain, one is more likely to hear disapproving sneers about “rich white people” than anything derogatory about minorities.” Seriously?
I am just beyond tired having to entertain white people when they try to tell me how I should feel about my experiences as a woman of color. Newsflash: racism isn’t dead and the idea that we have less inherent privileges is very true in this day.
Sydney Zink, please please please check your privilege next time you decide to publish something in your school paper because what you say in your dorm room is not going to be taken the same way when you have everyone at NU (and alums) reading it.
- P on October 17th, 2012 1:05 pm
Sydney, please Google the following before you write another article on a topic like this:
1) White Privilege
2) Institutionalized Racism
Oh, and check your privilege at the door.
- P on October 17th, 2012 1:07 pm
I should add, because you wrote “our hypersensitive, obsessively-politically-correctsociety” in regards to people who call out racism:
please also look up
- Lauren on October 17th, 2012 1:08 pm
Sweetheart, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not 1) an idiot 2) racist scum.
Take a sociology class while you’re here. This article is an embarrassment to you, our school, and The Daily. It’s well-written, but you are so uninformed about this topic, I cringed while reading this.
May I recommend Legal and Constitutional History with Dylan Penningroth and Race, Class, and Gender with Lisa Calvente? You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
- Terrance on October 17th, 2012 1:14 pm
1. There a multitude of criteria considered in the college admissions process and “race” is not the end all be all of acceptance. 2. I may have my own “merit” by accumulation, but I am among the MANY whose intellectual capital was cultivated through my PARENTS’ expenditures on after-school programs, gifted & talented programs, and access to unique academic resources that are not available in underfunded and under-performing public schools (where a high concentration of Black and Latino youth are disproportionately represented). 3. Statistically speaking, White women have been the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies. 4. This author completely ignores the disparity between suburban and inner-city schools and unequal challenges. 5. I graduated with a GPA well above a 5.0, performed and excelled at a variety of athletic and extracurricular activities and high school, and was fortunate to have parents who are both NU alumni. Please do not discredit my or my non-White peers’ success (stop limiting racial discourse to the Black-White paradigm) by limiting it to my skin color. Yes, affirmative action needs to be reformed, I’m ALL for reform. But don’t think for a second that race has no place in the equation. The “meritocracy” philosophy she references was the precise discourse affirmative action was created to counter in the first place. -_-
- DONE.COM on October 17th, 2012 1:18 pm
obviously this girl needs to take an af-am class in general. what a damn shame.
All I can say is smfh smdh.
- Kate Donovanon October 17th, 2012 1:19 pm
In discussing this article with a friend, this was said, and I can do nothing but applaud it for accuracy:
“The thing about railing against affirmative action is, you’re implying that college admissions without affirmative action are completely fair and unbiased. Which is to say that people get admitted to colleges based on aptitude alone. Which implies that the disproportionate number of white students who get accepted are accepted because their abilities and intelligence are inherently superior to those of the disproportionate number of non-white students who get rejected. Which is to say, you’re being racist.
So have fun with that.”
- Cory Slowikon October 17th, 2012 1:22 pm
“As many as 15 percent of freshmen at America’s top schools are white students who failed to meet their university’s minimum standards for admission, according to Peter Schmidt, deputy editor of the Chronicle of Higher Education. These kids are “people with a long-standing relationship with the university,” or in other words, the children of faculty, wealthy alumni and politicians. According to Schmidt, these unqualified but privileged kids are nearly twice as common on top campuses as Black and Latino students who had benefited from affirmative action.”
I don’t think it is people of color who are the unqualified ones here.
- Retraction please with more research on October 17th, 2012 1:23 pm
I cannot believe you would even release an article like this from a freshman that has done absolutely no research and written from a white girl probably upper middle class point of view. This is just embarrassing. WHITE WOMEN HAVE MOST BENEFITTED FROM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
- Ooof Daily on October 17th, 2012 1:26 pm
Come on Daily. You had to know what this would do.
If you REALLY wanted someone to speak eloquently against affirmative action, you could have chosen someone other than a freshman who hasn’t had time or the education to speak on such a complex issue.
I’m not defending her misguided arguments or beliefs, but she was thrown to the wolves here.
- PP on October 17th, 2012 1:26 pm
I think this is a really well written article and makes a good point. Affirmative action ultimately allows race to be the factor that wins out against qualification, and that is not the dream of Americans or the Civil Rights Movement, but that of those who know they are not truly qualified to be at the college they desire.
- LJ on October 17th, 2012 1:27 pm
Also, the girl who got denied was shown to not have been accepted under their admission criteria.
- Wow on October 17th, 2012 1:35 pm
We get it – you didn’t get into Yale and are looking for a scapegoat.
But in all seriousness I understand what you’re saying. You’d much rather attend a homogenous institution of primarily white upper middle class students who grew up in an environment where AP testing, SAT tutors and quality college counseling were readily available and financially plausible.
- NUAlum on October 17th, 2012 1:37 pm
Before writing this column, the author should have read Gratz v. Bollinger and Gutter v. Bollinger. Then she would have understood that the Supreme Court has explicitly overturned points system for raced based admissions, but upheld a system where admissions counselors considered race in looking at the applicant as a whole.
This author also should have spoken to the nice people in the admissions office, who would have explained to her that they look at an entire applicant’s background, and that Northwestern, who joined an amicus brief, does not admit entirely based on race. She could have read that amicus brief, and discussed it in an intelligent way.
Or you could just ignore the facts and write whatever this is.
- Yeah on October 17th, 2012 1:37 pm
Because I mean, when the time-line of …say…African-Americans goes from slavery, to de facto slavery, to the crack epidemic, to AIDS, it’s just like, get over it y’know? You should be all caught up by now. It’s totally not cool to play the race card, even when the rest of the cards in the deck are stacked against you.
I totally begrudge black people easier admissions standards because, even though I probably wouldn’t survive under their living conditions, America is all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. And even if those bootstraps have been cut off, doused in kerosene, and burned by white people who refuse to help beyond obligatory bone-throwing, it’s just like…make new boostraps, bro.
- Dave on October 17th, 2012 1:40 pm
Zink is a fly last name
- This is worse than binders full of women… on October 17th, 2012 1:45 pm
“And merit be damned as the country continues to self-medicate with affirmative action to relieve its guilt over a history of which most living today were not even a part.”
It’d be really wonderful if history were able to quarantine racism, on individual and institutionalized levels. But it wasn’t
It’d also be really wonderful if the Daily did a better job at publishing stories that exemplify Northwestern rather than humiliate it.
- Desperate for page views? on October 17th, 2012 2:05 pm
Publishing this seems like a grab for attention, frankly. There’s no way an editor read this and thought “oh what a well-reasoned and educated piece on a topical issue that will intellectually benefit this campus.” I blame the Daily, not Ms. Zink. It’s her right to think whatever she wants, however ill-informed her opinion.
- BM on October 17th, 2012 2:14 pm
If you think you are a victim of affirmative action, you are seriously delusional. Welcome to the big world, where not everyone is white. And your repeated efforts at convincing your Readers that you are not ,in fact, racist, have seriously failed. I speak as a white male and an offended reader of this article. Grow up, kiddo, and get some perspective.
- Kevin on October 17th, 2012 2:15 pm
What garbage!! How could they run an article like this?
- This is disgusting on the Daily’s part on October 17th, 2012 2:15 pm
I am frankly appalled that The Daily published this. Sydney is a freshman who has been here for what two weeks? And some editor, knowing full well what the response would be, thinks it’s a good idea to sacrifice some ill informed girl for the sake of page views? It’s disgusting. Sydney is wrong — very wrong — and I am not defending her viewpoint but she is also 18 years old and ill informed. I am glad that the stupid opinions I held as a 17/18 year old were not published, and I’m sure most of you are too. Maybe she will realize how wrong this article is, maybe she won’t. But The Daily publishing this during the first quarter of her freshman year knowing that she will be an object of public ridicule is so irresponsible it’s astounding.
- RS on October 17th, 2012 2:16 pm
Considering the various events that took place at NU last year, I find the fact that the Daily would allow this to be published pretty incendiary. And anyway, affirmative action isn’t about letting in “less qualified” people (whatever that even means). It’s about making sure that when there are two equally qualified people, one of whom is of color, the person of color gets the spot.
More diversity of opinion, background, etc. is what is going to make this a great university. Not having the people with the best SAT scores.
- Northwestern University’s Opinion on October 17th, 2012 2:26 pm
Worth a read if you are interested in Northwestern’s official position on the case of Fisher vs UT. Try to be better informed with some basic sociology and a multitude of top universities’ official positions before writing a piece like this. And editors, please hold ALL of your columnists to a level of basis in fact (if they are going to write on such a weighty issue).
- DIVERSITY on October 17th, 2012 2:27 pm
If you want to see what intolerance looks like, look no further than the commentors on this board attempting to shout down a MINORITY point of view on this campus. Look no further than the commentors who keep championing “diversity,” but preface their comments with ” I find the fact that the Daily would allow this to be published pretty incendiary.” Nothing is my hypocritical than all the people in this comment stream lambasting the Daily for publishing an opinion–on this campus a BRAVE opinion considering the backlash it receives–that dares dissent from everyone else.
Good for you Ms. Zink. And–I never thought Id say this–good job Daily Northwestern for publishing diverse and contrasting opinions. After all, such discussion is what makes college worthwhile.
- NU Chemist on October 17th, 2012 2:29 pm
The author of this article better watch out. She’s probably been labeled a thought-criminal by the liberal administration of Northwestern.
- Will Kaplan on October 17th, 2012 2:30 pm
All of you previous commenters have stolen my thunder. and I thank you for it.
All I have to say is,
Sydney, look up what racism is. It doesn’t occur on individual level but on a societal one. You are where you are today not based on merit, but instead by benefiting from the legacy of racist laws and practices that this country has perpetrated since slavery.
Slavery, subsidizing housing for whites while restricting loans for blacks after WWII, and the ridiculously inadequate education funding poor largely minority students receive when compared to suburban public schools. I could go on and on. Shame on you Shame.
I am now physically ill.
- Conner on October 17th, 2012 2:31 pm
On the “RWP” point and the attack of Mitt Romney’s being cast in a negative light for being rich —
Let us also consider the unfortunate trend on Twitter of people, in reference to Obama, saying, “It’s called the White House for a reason.” Perhaps there is an element of classism in criticisms of Mitt Romney, but that element is tiny compared to the blatant racism displayed toward Obama. And even though it may be a small amount of people on the Internet who say those things, it clearly debunks the notion of America being a “hypersensitive, obsessively-politically-correctsociety.” Before you singlehandedly separate ALL white people from ALL minorities, please consider that America is full to the brim with people who are not politically correct, nor sensitive, and that you should perhaps consider which side of that divide you fall on.
Also, twisting the Civil Rights Movement to scorn affirmative action completely misses the point of the movement in the first place. Your neat little summary on the goals of the Civil Rights Movement entirely ignores the history of the movement, preferring to choose one line from one speech over an extremely complex movement that lasted more than a decade.
Before you claim that race is no longer an issue in America, consider: Trayvon Martin and Oscar Grant. Discrimination was not eliminated 50 years ago.
- Sitting at Norris on October 17th, 2012 2:35 pm
I see an all-white tour group walking through the student center, I’m tempted to tell the prospies they shouldn’t bother applying.
- Z on October 17th, 2012 2:38 pm
This is ridiculous. Have you ever looked up the institutionalized racism that was created by the housing corporation that was created in the 1930’s. This did not allow black families, to name one example, to move away from the inner cities. This created a cycle of poverty and underperforming schools due to LACK of funding. Now ask yourself: How are public schools funded? Did you answer “property taxes”? Hope so because that is how they are. And because of this, which area (inner city or suburbs) has higher property taxes? Exactly. Suburbs do. So to essentially tell me that somebody, in the inner city, has the same amount of opportunity as somebody in the suburbs is ridiculous. Understand things thoroughly before you write stuff like this please.
- Katie on October 17th, 2012 2:50 pm
“In fact, today, in terms of direct statements of discrimination and disdain, one is more likely to hear disapproving sneers about “rich white people” than anything derogatory about minorities.”
She can NOT be serious. Is she really equating this with hateful racial slurs and insensitive cultural stereotypes?
I understand this girl is entitled to her opinion, and that’s fine. But this wasn’t even a well-written or researched argument against affirmative action. As others have said, this should be an embarrassment to the Daily and to Northwestern…
- Cory Slowikon October 17th, 2012 2:52 pm
Can we NOT with the making fun of Zink’s looks? Seriously?
- To the Author on October 17th, 2012 2:55 pm
Please take this opportunity to learn about your own privilege, and to reflect on how far removed you are from reality. YOUR reality is not THE reality. As an aspiring journalist, at least that’s what I assume, learn from your mistake of publishing this piece. Your words are ignorant. Your words do not articulate a sound argument against affirmative action.
Your words defend cyclical maintenance of the status quo, in which you belong to the dominant culture.
In a country where everyone deserves equal access to education, which is NOT readily available, affirmative action aims to entitle many underrepresented and underprivileged students so that they may have the same chance some “rich white people” are innately born with.
NEVER victimize “rich white people.” NEVER victimize the privileged in general. They have the privilege of not being victims.
Take it from the other side – the people in control making all of the decisions are the limiting reagent to the success of all people. They do not assume the role of victim, but oppressor.
- DIVERSITY on October 17th, 2012 2:58 pm
Oh come ON. If this backlash were because she didn’t cite enough academic sources, then 90% of the Daily’s Op-Eds would have 50 comment ad hominem chains calling shreiking that the Daily take down the article and that the writer must be a racist or a moron. But we all know thats not the case. The majority of the above comments were ad hominem attacks against Ms. Zink–many implying or directly calling her racist–and they were not the way scholars of a superb university engage in intelligent discourse. And last time I checked, no informative comment ever began “Google the following terms….”
But if you want to talk about research consider the academic literature do to be published in book form TOMORROW by two *liberal* academics chronicalling the vast failures of affirmative action–most especially the failure of the people it is purported to help!!!
That includes the following:
•Black college freshmen are more likely to aspire to science or engineering careers than are white freshmen, but mismatch causes blacks to abandon these fields at twice the rate of whites.
•Blacks who start college interested in pursuing a doctorate and an academic career are twice as likely to be derailed from this path if they attend a school where they are mismatched.
•About half of black college students rank in the bottom 20 percent of their classes (and the bottom 10 percent in law school).
•Black law school graduates are four times as likely to fail bar exams as are whites; mismatch explains half of this gap.
•Interracial friendships are more likely to form among students with relatively similar levels of academic preparation; thus, blacks and Hispanics are more socially integrated on campuses where they are less academically mismatched.
- mo on October 17th, 2012 3:07 pm
Also – this chick needs to meet more colored people. Maybe then she’d realize they all aren’t bumbling idiots who could only read “Black – non hispanic” on the application. Believe it or not, Sydney, they might be *checks over shoulder* smart! Y’know, they might be *really* smart. Like, smart enough to get into one of the best learning institutions in the world?
- Elyse on October 17th, 2012 3:12 pm
I don’t think you understand what affirmative action means. Equating the promotion of race with the sacrifice of merit is a misinformed view that projects what you want to believe about affirmative action onto what it actually does.
When any academic institution opens admissions, they receive more qualified applications than spots available. Always. Even after you throw out the blatantly unqualified applicants, there will still be more applicants with 4.0s, extracurricular, and great recommendation letters than spots available. Affirmative action comes into place once the pool has been narrowed down to all equally qualified applicants, and only then, does race become either a “bonus” to a candidate, or even a factor.
Institutions legally cannot have quotas (Sydney, do you get what a quota is? I’m not sure. This means they cannot set out to hire a specific number of minorities), but they can use race as a beneficial factor towards candidates once they are found to be qualified for admission, and also as a general goal to promote diversity.
White people are not losing out on opportunities because less-qualified minorities are being promoted, they are losing out because there are equally qualified minorities who also deserve their proportionate representation in academia and because the spots they are “losing out on” were never theirs to begin with.
This article is extremely misinformed and reductive of a complicated issue. I would recommend reading The Constitutional Logic of Affirmative Action to actually understand this issue, and shame on the editors for allowing this to be published.
- Elyse on October 17th, 2012 3:13 pm
I would just like to reiterate:
White people are not losing out on opportunities because less-qualified minorities are being promoted, they are losing out because there are equally qualified minorities who also deserve their proportionate representation in academia and because the spots they are “losing out on” were never theirs to begin with.
Sydney, your white privilege is showing.
- mo on October 17th, 2012 3:16 pm
True, but people typically assume that unless said Jew can defend themselves. It’s a stereotype and, likely, the target of any “RWP” slinging she’s seen
- News Flash on October 17th, 2012 3:16 pm
“Proponents argue that affirmative action is necessary to make up for centuries of slavery and segregation, in which virtually none of us living today were participants.”
Virtually none of us living today were participants? I mean, except for all our parents and grandparents… Many of our parents went to segregated schools, everyone who is older that 43 lived in a time where there was segregation.
Racism is not over and in fact permeates every part of our society. This article came from a place of ignorance, and it’s an argument we’ve all heard and that any one with and kind of awareness and understanding of the American judicial system, or economic development, white privilege, or even the education system in this country would be too smart and informed to make.
This article is upsetting and based on false pretenses.
- Keith Schnabel on October 17th, 2012 3:24 pm
“And merit be damned as the country continues to self-medicate with affirmative action to relieve its guilt over a history of which most living today were not even a part.”
I hadn’t realized that people born before the civil rights movement were all dead.
- Ce Cole Dillon on October 17th, 2012 3:24 pm
I realize that this is a very young person. And I realize that the saying that “youth is wasted on the young” exists for a reason. I was ticked off about the tenor of this story, but was going to let it go, until I read this sentence. “And merit be damned as the country continues to self-medicate with affirmative action to relieve its guilt over a history of which most living today were not even a part”.
Ms. Zink has only been at NU for two weeks, so perhaps it is excusable perhaps that she doesn’t yet know NU’s history. Perhaps she doesn’t know the history of James Pitts, or Don Jackson, or Daphne Maxwell Reid, all of who were students at NU in the 1960’s, when NU practiced quotas of exclusion. Perhaps she doesn’t know that in 1966, a black student wrote poignantly about the Negro student who didn’t exist at NU. Perhaps she hasn’t heard of the May 3-4, 1968 takeover of the Bursar’s office to protest the plight of black students at NU. Perhaps she doesn’t know that the Department of African American Studies was created out of that protest largely by those students.
Perhaps she hasn’t heard the history of three black women who where the sole black women admitted to the class under a quota of exclusion, who are still close friends 50 years later. Perhaps she doesn’t know the story of Illinois State Senator Jacqui Collins, who was dismissed twice from NU for engaging in student protests over racism and exclusion.
All of these people are alive today. And many of them are great alum of the University, in part because of the efforts of the late William Ihlenfeldt among others to make NU a place of inclusion. Perhaps she doesn’t know that this is a work in progress, and that there is leadership from the President’s office committed to continuing the work done by others to make NU a place of inclusion.
Perhaps she doesn’t know of the work of the most recent past President Henry Bienen to improve the plight of black students in the 21st century at NU by appointing Burgie Howard and other professionals to improve community life of black students.
Perhaps she doesn’t know of the work of the Dean of the School of Education to support SESP students as they work on inclusion at NU. Perhaps she doesn’t know of the work of Professor Martha Biondi to document the work of black students to create climates of inclusion at Universities across the nation. Perhaps she doesn’t know that these students were her age (and in a few cases younger – some as young as 16) in the 1960’s when they were engaged in protests over the legacy of exclusion.
So, I refuse to say something snarky. But I will shake my head, and hope that as this young grows and learns something at and about NU. I hope that the experience of being at NU will open your eyes beyond the narrow perspective of life you have been given so far. You are in a university. A great university. Fulfill the mission and learn something. Grow beyond what your parents and your community taught you. Because young lady you have quite strong opinions for someone who knows little about what really happened.
- Deeply Offended on October 17th, 2012 3:24 pm
You know what I AM hypersensitive about? Immensely assumptive, poorly-researched, one-sided columns implying that my identity as a biracial student gave me an unfair advantage in the college admissions process. I am an A student with extra-curricular activities galore, well-written college essays, and I also happen to be Latina. The number of times students at my wealthy, predominantly white school bemoaned their privileges and presented my situation as somehow “easier” than theirs regarding college admissions is TOO HIGH FOR ME TO COUNT.
You have to be willfully ignorant of current and recent racial issues to truly believe that the most commonly heard racially charged insult is “rich white people.” Boy, would that world be different. The only world in which affirmative action need not exist is a world where an entire group of people has not consistently benefited from the discrimination and sublimation of others.
It’s also worth noting that in many of the anti-affirmative action arguments made the issue of legacies is conveniently omitted. You want to discuss the fairness of allowing low-income, disadvantaged people of color spots at top-tier universities? Then let’s discuss the fairness of allowing students to attend those same universities because their parents and grandparents did.
- DIVERSITY on October 17th, 2012 3:33 pm
Elyse (among others),
The idea that Affirmative Action is just a coin flip used to decide between two EQUALLY qualified student of different race is so beyond laughable, because, for one, we wouldnt have 100-comment long forums on the DAILY’s damn website with people kicking and screaming if it were so simple and innocuous.
Moreover, you cant just simply make those claims and expect people to believe them, without citing evidence. Like this:
For instance, the typical UT student receiving affirmative action preferences places around the 52nd percentile on the SATs. The average white student admitted to UT places in the 89th percentile. That is NOT a coin flip. That is very stark. Whats worse, who do you think that hurts the most?! Ms. Fisher is doing fine 4 years hence her rejection, and graduated from a slightly worse school. But the student admitted under AffAct were forced to compete in a school with much more qualified students in a very rigorous environment, which means they dropped out or opted out of difficult,technical studies (science, econ, engineering) at a FAR higher rate than their white/asian peers. Its the people its meant to help often, that AfAct hurts the most!!!
- JM on October 17th, 2012 3:34 pm
I would just like to point out that there have been a number of liberally-inclined opinion columns in the past lacking support, citations, and research equally to the extent this column does. Few, if any, of those articles were met with this kind of vitriol. I am forced to conclude, then, that this anger so prevalent in this column’s comment section is not based on the quality of research and support, but on her particular stance. That being said, it is certainly fair to respectfully disagree with her stance, and to argue against it, but this level of hate that exists simply because her political views do not match the majority of Northwestern’s is unwarranted.
- kristin on October 17th, 2012 3:38 pm
Ah, the “white privilege” write-off.
For all their “tolerance,” liberals just can’t stand it when people don’t drink the kool-aid.
Every stop and think that not everyone buys into the “white privilege” mantra? If “white privilege” is a thing, why to Asians and Southeast Indians out-perform even whites?
Frankly I think it offensive for people to call others who don’t agree with them “ignorant.” Rather than establishing whether the author is or is not ignorant, it just shows the depth of the ignorance of those commenting. Because it shows your absolute inability to engage in a meaningful debate, or think critically about the issues and respond in an intelligent manner, and your unwillingness to even fathom for a moment that there exist more sides to the debate than just yours. Saying things like “check your white privilege at the door” is just an easy way for you to blow someone off, without having to do any intellectual legwork yourself.
Affirmative action is always an interesting debate, because it just proves the line from Avenue Q: everyone’s a little bit racist.
Brings out the resentment from “people of color” about the success of white people and asian people, and brings out the resentment in white people for “people of color” who continually play the race card.
Isn’t it a wonderful world.
- ANGRY COMMENTER! on October 17th, 2012 3:39 pm
QUICK! EVERYBODY COMMENT! THE WORLD NEEDS TO HEAR MY OPINION!
- Leif on October 17th, 2012 3:43 pm
I’m shocked to hear about all of the terrible personal attacks against Sydney, many from people that I know and normally consider to be nice, respectful, and open-minded people.
But that characterization doesn’t apply today.
In addition to attacking her appearance, calling her racist names, and asserting that she suffers from “white privilege”, they have resorted to intellectually dishonest arguments that seek to silence her opinions.
The real question is: “Is Sydney right?”. But nobody really seems interested in trying to answer that question.
They would prefer to simply make personal attacks, call her column poorly researched, and say she is insufficiently “experienced” to have an opinion, by which they mean “hasn’t taken enough sociology courses”. Perhaps a more sensible qualification is: “has read any book by Thomas Sowell”.
Shame on all of you for banding together in what can only be described as a prime example of mob behavior. Either she is right or she is wrong, any attacking her for anything else is simply bullying.
- Good on October 17th, 2012 3:59 pm
I don’t know why people are being so rude. Affirmative action has no basis anymore and this girl points that out. No matter what you say she is just correct.
- P on October 17th, 2012 4:09 pm
“If you don’t like your circumstances, change them. Don’t get me wrong, that is no easy undertaking, but if you’re so goddamned interested in representing the oppression of your ancestors, show them that you can work just as hard as they worked to change their own lives. ”
You have heard of a little thing called the cycle of poverty/generational poverty, right? Sometimes outside intervention is necessary.
- Sense on October 17th, 2012 4:09 pm
There is a right way to argue against affirmative action…this is not it
- Northwestern Alum on October 17th, 2012 4:26 pm
While I think this author definitely could have written a better written article, I find this article written by the Wall Street Journal to be helpful in defending what I think is the author’s main point of getting rid of Affirmative Action.
- Toby on October 17th, 2012 4:37 pm
- Honestly on October 17th, 2012 4:37 pm
regardless of your view (and I am one who believe in reform of affirmative action but also its valuable existence), this column is embarrassing because it is poorly researched and overly simplistic. I think we’ve covered that.
But as embarrassing as that may be for NU, the comments on this piece show the hundreds of students who truly understand the intricacies of this issue and make me proud to be a student here 1000 times over. For that, I’m glad this debate happened.
Finally, to those that argue that “Asians don’t seem to suffer like African Americans do, so why call it white privilege?”… yes, that statement is surface-level true. But it is important to remember that disadvantage in school is strongly tied to SOCIOECONOMIC disadvantage. Why are a higher number of those students black? Think about the legacy of job and educational discrimination that the parents, grandparents, etc. of today’s black students faced, from the time of slavery up through today, and I think you’ll have your answer.
- SillyThingsWhitePeopleSay on October 17th, 2012 4:44 pm
Hold before I speak to this ridiculously claim that this has nothing to do with white privilege let’s look at some actual quotes from the article:
“The presumed racism of upper-middle-class white people is drastically misaligned. In fact, today, in terms of direct statements of discrimination and disdain, one is more likely to hear disapproving sneers about “rich white people” than anything derogatory about minorities. There certainly is no shortage of people who identify Mitt Romney and “his people” as disgusting, horrible people who deserve no respect but rather a plethora of unflattering associations. For fear of being cloaked socially with the “RWP” mantle, many seem to hastily make apologetic claims of empathy with other groups and to desperately reject this likely-fitting title by scoffing disdainfully at “RWP” somewhere in their disclaimer.”
Yeah this paragraph…where the reversal racism claim is made…where rich white people have it so bad…yeah that’s not example of white privilege at all…
This brackets out the assertion that affirmative action is only about segregation and the slavery of the best. Have your ever tried being young, black and male in any major urban city? Where you are subject to random stop-and-frisks without justification and racial profiling? Where you are more likely then not to live in abject poverty? Where you are three times as likely to end up in jail or murdered than your white peers? This notion of some quaint past where black racism existed in contrast to the dark present where GASP white people are the victims is interesting rhetorical move…a rhetorical move of the white and privileged. Oh and Indians and Asians are good math is not a response to the inherent advantages that exist in life because you are born white. It’s not even mostly about tests scores broheims…it’s about all the things (on some of which are mentioned here) that you don’t even ever have to consider or think about because you are white.
- James Johnson on October 17th, 2012 4:53 pm
Sorry, Zink. Sadly, race is something that is still intrinsically tied to privilege. Your idea of the Civil Rights Movement is a bit romantic and even more so, largely misinformed. “…and then one day some great men helped to solve all of the problems, institutionalized racism vanished, racial difference was embraced, minorities were given all of the advantages they deserved, the work was done, and our national conscious was healed”. No that is not how the story goes. One cannot simply say that the dream of the Civil Rights Movement was to have “all people be judged by who they are rather than their skin color”, and then continue life as though measures do not have to be taken to ensure that this is actually the case. To assume that this is even possible without programs that assist in helping individuals whose skin colors are statistically tied to disadvantage due to a variety of inequities that I will not even begin to go in to is offensive, yet not quite as shocking as the first time I realized I was a black American, and what that meant.
- Orieon October 17th, 2012 4:59 pm
“one is more likely to hear disapproving sneers about “rich white people” than anything derogatory about minorities.”
Sounds like something Mitt Romney would say. The sad thing is, some of the most talented African Americans, Hispanics, etc. even when performing at the top of their class still can’t compete with B or even C level students at “rich white people” schools (I call it that for the sake of going with her message) but is it their fault that they were born into the conditions that they were, and can’t get better opportunities? I’m not sure where this young lady is from, but I recommend that she takes a visit to some of Chicago’s underperforming neighborhood schools on the South and Westside. Look at their curriculum’s, then speak with the people who are at the top of their graduating class. You’ll see that despite how well they’re performing, they’re often not given the same opportunities. But does that mean that they shouldn’t be allowed into such universities as Northwestern? No…they deserve just a great of opportunity as the “rich white people” because education is one of, if not the strongest resource we have to bridge the gap between our communities.
- rj on October 17th, 2012 5:18 pm
Ms. Zink deserves applause for being a brave soul willing to speak out and offer her opinion on a contentious issue in the midst of a university that is essentially a cesspool of liberalism.
- Brianna on October 17th, 2012 5:20 pm
Referring to SLAVERY as “a more racially segregated past where one skin color was preferred over another.” Like….really?
- WhiteManF on October 17th, 2012 5:21 pm
In the classes I took at NU, we learned that if you control for race, socioeconomic status and education of parents are the strongest predictors of upward mobility and later life “success.” In the USA, sadly enough, race is convoluted with poverty. A truly successful affirmative action policy would focus on giving kids whose parents are of a lower socioeconomic class (or live in a worse-off neighborhood) advantages, but higher institutions will never do this because that would mean picking kids they would have to give scholarships to.
Need-blind policies are a convenient way for schools to say they are bringing in diversity, but they truly aren’t. Schools should look at the need of the students, which should be a factor in their favor.
Race is and always will be an issue, but parental social class and education are much more significant predictors of success.
- NU Sucks on October 17th, 2012 5:27 pm
Please don’t take a soc. class. It will poison your mind.
- Joan on October 17th, 2012 5:31 pm
I disagree with some of what you’ve written (for example, that disparaging remarks against rich white people are more of a problem/more common than disparaging remarks against minorities).
However, I am against race-based affirmative action, and from that standpoint, I want to applaud you for having the courage to publish an article against affirmative action. On a college campus like this, a lot of people will hate you and accuse you of bigotry or heartlessness for taking a conservative stance on a wide variety of issues (if you’re pro-life, you must hate women; if you’re against illegal immigration, you must be racist; if you think entitlement programs should be reduced, you have no heart for the underprivileged). I regularly see these kinds of comments made about conservative viewpoints, and it’s hurtful to be accused of these things. It’s fear of being thought of in this way by my peers that makes me hesitant to share my political views, even if my views aren’t grounded in the accusations some people claim. So, although I disagree with some of the statements in this article, overall, I want to thank you for having the courage to write it. I know you’re getting a lot of hate in the comments and on Facebook, so I just wanted to say, keep your head held high! Don’t let them get you down.
- rj on October 17th, 2012 5:41 pm
For people who support affirmative action, I have a question –
How come minorities who live in the upper class neighborhoods (with the same benefits and advantages you say white people have) get to benefit from affirmative action policies? How does that make any sense?
- rj on October 17th, 2012 6:04 pm
How specifically are they affected by society’s “imbedded racism?” That’s a very vague concept. I really don’t see how minorities in rich neighborhoods can be considered disadvantaged.
And sorry, but it isn’t ignorance. Just because someone has a different opinion than you do doesn’t mean it’s ignorance. Unless your definition of “ignorance” is non-liberal, or course.
- Excuse you. on October 17th, 2012 6:37 pm
Really? This is one of the most ignorant comments I’ve ever read. The fact is, the societal growth of minorities in America has been stunted by WHITES (Slavery, Chinese Exclusion Act, etc.) “…if you’re so goddamned interested in representing the oppression of your ancestors, show them that you can work just as hard as they worked to change their own lives.” UM, REALLY? That’s the equivalent of a white people telling everyone else “WELL, YOU BETTER CATCH UP ON YOUR OWN EVEN THOUGH I WAS BORN INTO PRIVILEGE AND IT’S MY ANCESTOR’S FAULT THAT YOU ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID IN AMERICA.” C’mon. Check your privilege.
- WhitePerson on October 17th, 2012 6:40 pm
- Will on October 17th, 2012 6:40 pm
Boy, Sydney, do I think you’re wrong, but hell if you’re not brave for saying so. I encourage you to seek out students who are very different from yourself during your time at Northwestern.
- jay3135 on October 17th, 2012 6:43 pm
Just Googled “Sydney Zink.” Found a Twitter handle with the following headline: “Keepin’ it middle classy.” Need I say more? It also appears that she’s from one of the wealthiest suburbs in the Atlanta area. Now, I don’t like to cast regional stereotypes… but come on. It’s too easy.
- Enough on October 17th, 2012 6:57 pm
Noun 1. newspaper column – an article giving opinions or perspectives.
She gave opinion and you’ve given yours, so leave her alone. You’ve ruined her life enough for one quarter. I’m disappointed in you Northwestern.
- CJ on October 17th, 2012 6:58 pm
This article angers me. I can’t speak for this girl or any of the other people who oppose affirmative action, but saying that being called a rich white person is worse than any racial slur is a joke. I don’t know what this girls home life is like, but maybe she should look around campus. I go to Indiana University and there is a SMALL amount of minority students here. Affirmative action is a way to give an underrepresented population an opportunity to improve their status. My grandmother had to go to an all black high school which limited the education she had. This limited the resources my mother had which in turn limited the resources I’ve had. Think of this as a whole nation instead of just one girl. Abigail Fisher didn’t even meet the qualifications nor did she have the credentials of the people who got in over her. She was a legacy who expected to get in and when she didn’t, she got angry. Think about things as a whole instead of on an individual basis before you post an article.
- NU Faculty on October 17th, 2012 7:04 pm
As a Northwestern faculty member who also happens to be a member of an underrepresented minority, all I have to say is that this is disheartening, and disturbing, and also incredibly embarrassing for the young lady who wrote it. I hope it starts a productive dialogue on campus. Most of all, though, it just makes me sad.
- rj on October 17th, 2012 7:05 pm
The real people who are disadvantaged are the people from poor neighborhoods who go to terrible schools that get hardly any funding. Those people may be minorities, but those people also may not be minorities. I’m not in love with affirmative action but if you’re going to do it, tie it to socioeconomic status and school quality, not race. There are plenty of poor whites who could serve to benefit from affirmative action in their favor.
- Oh man. on October 17th, 2012 7:13 pm
Let me just say: Sydney, please do all of us (yourself included) a favor and take an ethnic studies class as soon as possible. You will learn so, so much.
Now. Okay, I’m Mexican-American (and that probably just gave me away because you know me). Came from a terrible, underperforming public high school. Literally one of the worst schools in Illinois. Parents immigrated from Mexico. Wanted a better life for their kids, all that jazz. I can definitely tell you that I did not get the same opportunities as some of the white people I have talked to here. My school didn’t have a recording studio, or even cameras. Nor did it have TVs in every classroom and money to sponsor study abroad trips every semester.
It’s not my fault I was born into this. White people should acknowledge the fact that they have it better in America. Minorities need to be compensated because of all the racism they face on a daily basis. Tell me Sydney, have you ever driven through town and been afraid of getting pulled over because of your race? Has anyone every told you to “go back to your country” even if this is your country? How many times have people assumed you don’t speak English? Has anyone ever called you “exotic”? Did anyone warn you before coming to college about how things wouldn’t be like they were back home, that people might be prejudiced against the color of your skin? Did anyone ever tell you that you didn’t deserve to be valedictorian of your HS because the two white kids that were below you in rank were “obviously smarter…they’re white!”
Probably not, right? That’s racism for you. You have it better. Whites have made it extremely hard for other minorities to advance because of racism and xenophobia. Look in any textbook. Slavery. Jim Crow Laws. And in the predominantly Hispanic community that I’m from, all we got were white people’s extras. Have you ever heard of a predominantly Black/Hispanic/Asian/etc. community with absolutely amazing, top-performing schools? Most likely, no (not that they don’t exist). Because these communities are not given the resources to have great schools.
Affirmative action takes these things into account. It understand that institutionalized racism really does exist. And it’s not the only factor in college acceptances; it’s one of MANY.
This isn’t supposed to be a sob story. But please, look at things from another perspective. And please check your privilege before writing again.
Also, do your research.
- kristin on October 17th, 2012 7:32 pm
the level of savagery and just arrogant disdain for someone with whose opinion you disagree displayed on this page just sickens me.
I hope you people are happy. While I agree she should have used numbers and facts to boost her point, the level of personal attack and complete invalidation of her point by people is sickening.
What is more sickening is that such an attack came from an NU faculty member. If a student at a university can’t voice an opinion without fear of attack from professors, then the mission of a university really has failed.
Frankly, this whole thing is making profoundly ashamed of my school and seriously question the kind of values NU seeks to promote. Perhaps it is not intellectual endeavor after all, but the creation of like-minded automatons.
And no, before you accuse me of being some crazy conservative, I have seen as bad and worse from the evangelicals on certain choice topics, and would have some choice words for them, as well.
Basically, the older I get, and the more I see of this from my fellow man, the less time and patience I have for it, and the more I am embarrassed to call myself a member of species homo sapien sapien. If reincarnation is a thing…I hope I come back as an animal in a remote part of the world, far away from humans. We have failed in reaching our potential as intellectual, enlightened beings, capable of reason and intellectual discussion, of an ability to agree to disagree. And you all are proof of it. But then the history of people is depraved, so maybe such enlightenment was never possible to begin with.
In conclusion: You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
- Becky on October 17th, 2012 7:36 pm
Before I give an unpopular opinion, I will say this: It was ridiculous that the editors and whatever other higher-ups of The Daily let this go to print without confronting her about lack of knowledge of the subject – they should have pointed her in the direction to some research. If anything, I am much more upset with the Daily for the inaccuracy and insensitivity in this article than I am with the writer of the article.
Seriously, y’all. She’s human. She’s a freshman, and the first month of college is an adjustment and I know you all remember bouncing around from one friend group to another. We all did it. So… can you imagine how difficult it’ll be for this girl to walk around campus tomorrow with all the mocking and the teasing? I wish the article hadn’t posted her email address for this same reason – with all the outspoken people on our campus, I worry for her mental health tonight with all the emails she must be receiving. It really needs to stop.
Her opinions are unresearched, and many are insulting and ridiculous. I definitely disagree with many things she had to say. I also understand the importance of affirmative action. However, I do personally feel that sometimes affirmative action is taken too far and does have some negative consequences that people often ignore because they are afraid to speak up. I’m glad someone did — I just wish that someone was a person who was more informed about the issue, or if not that they would’ve at least done some research before writing.
Here’s the bottom line – EVERYONE: Stop making this girl’s life a living hell tonight and get on with your own.
- Becky on October 17th, 2012 7:37 pm
And after rereading it and going around the here-and-there stupidity and really getting to the meat of her argument, I gotta say:
Sydney Zink has a valid point.
- you should be ashamed on October 17th, 2012 7:38 pm
From a previous Zink column: “I personally enjoy integrating myself into circumstances or groups I do not readily relate to so I can gain firsthand insight into the organization of such thoughts, practices and structures.”
Oh, really? Just as long as all those groups are full of rich, white kids…apparently the people suffering most from discrimination
- Jane Janeczko on October 17th, 2012 7:58 pm
This girl is a freshman. Let’s all remember that. No matter how misguided/uninformed her opinions here are let’s not attack her.
- Martin Donovan on October 17th, 2012 8:54 pm
I suppose you don’t understand the climate you are entering … Northwestern has been frought with racial problems around Halloween time.
I don’t think this will improve the discussion.
- Anonymous on October 17th, 2012 8:56 pm
Ms. Zink’s sentiments are already law in California and Washington and it is illegal to use Affirmative Action solely for the purpose of benefiting minorities in every state (for public institutions). It can only be used to increase diversity.
To anyone that argues that AA is to counteract institutionalized racism, I leave you with this; If two applicants are exactly the same, same high school, same neighborhood, same grades, same friends even, the black student will have an advantage solely because of skin color. How is that right?
- Eric on October 17th, 2012 8:56 pm
Ditto this. How is internet stalking someone and judging them based on their background considered an acceptable response?
- Fred Truth on October 17th, 2012 9:02 pm
Zink went to a private school in GA, and tuition is $21,950.00 a year. See how quick you can find things on the Internet?
- Jason on October 17th, 2012 9:14 pm
Wow, even more embarrassing behavior by allegedly tolerant members of the NU community!
So far we’ve heard several “arguments”:
1) She’s a racist
2) She needs to take a sociology / african american studies / ethnic studies course
3) She has white privilege
4) She’s just a stupid freshman
Conclusion: either she’s evil or she’s stupid.
Nobody really seems to be considering the possibility that Sydney’s right. Nobody seems to really care about whether what she says is true, only that it’s “offensive”.
This is phony intellectualism if I ever saw it. It’s so unfortunate that it comes with the attacking and bullying a member of our community.
- Jesus on October 17th, 2012 9:17 pm
I’m from Austin Texas. A hispanic male. I went to a magnet high school. I was rejected from UT Austin in 2008. Pllllllllease get over yourself. You’re better off at Northwestern.
- Calm down on October 17th, 2012 9:18 pm
Here is what Zink should have at least pointed to: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/sunday-review/rethinking-affirmative-action.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
This column would have been stronger had it hinged on SES, a factor that many studies prove is now more limiting than race when it come to access to higher education. Regardless, this column does not make Zink “racist,” although in light of recent sensationalized events at NU that label apparently applies to anyone who dares say something that questions any number of platitudes we are fed about diversity.
I find it sad that students, and worse, faculty, have attacked Zink in such a way. Privilege is no longer inherently white and neither is racism.
- Chris Schmidt on October 17th, 2012 9:32 pm
This was an editorial, so people shouldn’t be jumping on her for fact-checking, not including more references, etc.
I think the biggest problem with this article (and most of the argumentation against AA, in general) is summed up in her description of the goal of the Civil Rights movement: “The dream of the Civil Rights Movement was that all people be judged by who they are rather than by the color of their skin.”
The dream of the Civil Rights movement was not that society become color-blind, but rather that everyone in the country have equal access to opportunity. Regardless of your stance on institutionalized racism, white privilege, etc. it’s undeniable that the playing field in American society is slanted. The goal of AA is not to increase URM presence for the sake of URM presence, but to provide students who were denied the opportunities to qualify in a blind comparison (by no fault of their own) access to the best education possible. Somebody above referenced socio-economic status as the near racial barrier. I would guess within two or three generations, we’ll be hearing the same arguments for AA being applied to socio-economic status, and I think they’ll be just as valid.
Beyond the “moral” imperative to make up for denied privileges, there’s also a strong economic/utilitarian argument. White men (and to a lesser extent white women) receive the lowest marginal returns from attending an elite university versus a middling university. Black men (and to a lesser extent black women) receive the highest. If the role of a university is to provide the best education possible and create the most utility for society through capable graduates, we should be encouraging, not simply accepting programs like AA.
- Backlash on October 17th, 2012 9:33 pm
Some of the comments on this article are pretty rude. I shudder to think of all the unnecessary hatemail she’s getting right now. Zink definitely didn’t research her article topic fully, but I give her props for speaking up to a Northwestern community that in the recent past has demonstrated tolerance to the point of intolerance. Yes, she’s a white female criticizing affirmative action. Just because she’s white, doesn’t mean you know everything about her or the life experiences that helped her form her beliefs and opinions. Everyone is so shocked that they encountered an article like this. Did you realize you reading the FORUM section of the newspaper? Every once in awhile, Northwestern community, you might encounter an opinion that is different from your own. Your harsh overreaction stifles productive discourse and encourages disgusting homogeny of opinion at NU. Don’t you see that? I’m willing to bet you’ve had at least one opinion you’ve been too afraid to share with others at NU for fear of an absurd backlash like this. Zink’s argument may not be fully developed, but she touches upon the beginnings of arguments against affirmative action that many other people share. Maintain a sense of decorum, NU. Maybe you’ll learn something about other people who aren’t hypocritical, bleeding-heart liberals.
- A on October 17th, 2012 9:38 pm
I’m appalled that The Daily would publish something like this. It’s unfortunate that Sydney chose to write such an incendiary article about something of which she is clearly uninformed, but the line of editors that this article should have gone through should have paused and reconsidered before publishing an article written by someone who’s done so little research. This is very disappointing.
- Anony-mouse on October 17th, 2012 9:50 pm
Dear all who support or oppose the premise of this article. What would you think of an affirmative action program that was based on socioeconomic status rather than race (i.e. regardless of your race, if you come from a less advantaged background, you have a higher chance of getting in). Is that fair? Any opponents?
- A on October 17th, 2012 10:37 pm
that most people here (with the exception of a few) don’t have the balls to include their full names/fully disclose who they are and still have the audacity to attack someone who’s disclosed everything about herself is ridiculous.
stfu people, move on with your lives.
- kristin on October 17th, 2012 10:46 pm
In the future, it would do well to support arguments with concrete facts.
But you have shown more panache, courage and fortitude than the hypocrite liberal Though Nazis (and yes I know Nazis were right-wing fascists, I’m using it in its more colloquial usage) probably ever will, since they will ever remain in their kumbya circle-jerk.
Sometimes saying what needs to be said, or going against the grain, is hard, and you will get a lot of crap from lesser beings.
But know you are far better person than any of the purveyors of PC-policedom could ever hope to be
- Charlemagne in Sweatpants on October 17th, 2012 10:52 pm
Latino male here. Mexican-American, if you care.
I oppose race-based affirmative action from a policy standpoint as well as a personal standpoint. The policy arguments that most resonate with me – namely the problem of mismatch and the need for affirmative action based on class or income rather than race – have been made by several commenters above me and I won’t repeat them. Rest assured, they are vastly more important than any of my petty individual grievances, but I don’t like redundancy.
The personal side of the issue is this: I am the poster child for the privileged minority applicant. I have brown skin, pitch-brown eyes, and ludicrously thick eyebrows. Both my parents were born to Mexican immigrants in San Antonio. My last name is unpronounceable by most Americans. I am, technically, a minority.
And yet I was raised in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the nation, in a school district routinely ranked as explemplary, in a world where the only hints of danger were the periodic bomb threats by students who were were bored out of their minds by how damn SAFE everything was. I was never on the receiving end of racial taunts or threats; I never felt discriminated against or looked down upon or otherwise because of my ethnicity. In short, I did not deserve affirmative action of any sort. And yet there is little doubt in my mind that my race was, in some way, a factor in my admission. And that bothers me.
It bothers me because college admissions is a zero-sum game; there are white and Asian students from much less privileged backgrounds who were at a relative disadvantage in the college admissions process because of the advantage I was given. Their stories, their struggles, and the obstacles they had to overcome are deemed by the admissions officers to be less important than the non-existent “struggles” I had to go through as an upper-middle-class Latino. It also bothers me because close to three-fourths of my friends in high school were Asian-American, so I got to witness firsthand the handicaps that go along with not being the “right” minority. TL;DR: it sucks.
And yes, I recognize that white privilege is a thing. I recognize that racism still exists, that class structures and race and educational opportunities are heavily intertwined, and that most blacks and Latinos and Native Americans are in much worse situations than me and my Asian buddies. But all of that doesn’t add up to a cogent defense of the current race-based system. Because as long as people like me continue to exist, the system will always have cracks in it.
What objection could there possibly be to a system that, on a case-by-case basis, weighs factors such as family income/wealth, school quality, and documented instances of discrimination or hardship, rather than using race as a quick and easy shorthand for disadvantage? That way, students of ALL races who come from underprivileged backgrounds would get a fighting chance of admission, while the privileged minorities who never experienced hardship or discrimination (including me) would be judged solely on merit.
Also, Zink is indeed the flyest of all possible names.
- Monica WCAS07 on October 17th, 2012 10:56 pm
I hope you sign up for one of Professor Celeste Watkins-Hayes classes. She is really good at explaining these complicated subjects. Being a Northwestern freshman is really wonderful because you have 4 more years to learn to and grown.
- Mr. TK on October 17th, 2012 11:10 pm
- Nick on October 17th, 2012 11:34 pm
I agree with you 100% Sydney. Don’t let them stop you from writing.
- Cory Slowikon October 18th, 2012 1:19 am
Everybody sing it with me!
Critique on a public piece is not hatemail!
Recognition of systemic oppressions is not “political correctness”!
And NU is NOT by any stretch of the imagination liberal.
- Joe Smith on October 18th, 2012 2:00 am
This freshman probably isn’t racist, she’s probably honestly ticked off. Wouldn’t you if someone claimed you’ve lived a privileged life and so we’re going to draft policies intended to disenfranchise people of your skin color? Odd.
I find the personal offense comments and psycho-analysis comments nauseating, and I’m sorry, throwing out the buzz theory “white privilege” as though it’s indisputable truth is, to me, a bit bizarre. There are far far far more interesting factors at play that disenfranchise people and they are to a fault left unaddressed in the white privilege paradigm. I understand however that we need to eliminate the immoral bias in decision making- eliminate the fundamental human instinct to trust someone who looks like us and sounds like us, shares my background, while passing over perhaps a better qualified candidate in the process. I get that institutionalized power structures over centuries have benefited white males generally, and that statistically we still see evidence of these power structures today in business- all the white male bosses therefore have a tendency to hire another white male employee to succeed him. This I understand, and we need to break down this inefficient, morally reprehensible barrier. But a university is no place to be making such racial distinctions, no place to be drafting policies that lower the standard of success in order to accommodate a critical mass of particular skin colors.
If there are failings that are racially biased at lower academic levels then we ought to address them at the source primarily. I just don’t buy the notion that engendered stereotypes by academics and peers in grades K-12 are somehow the driving factor in holding back kids when it comes to education. Family structure, economic factors, regional, and educational influences are certainly more imporant. Note though how none of these are race based barrier measures, and there’s really no check box.
If we have most control over fixing regionalized K-12 schools failing, which I suspect we do, please explain why the very people calling for affirmative action measures are also opposing school choice initiatives, and private school vouchers for inner city youth???
That’s the crux of the issue. Fix our education system where it is broken, and award success at the collegiate level so that every minority can shake this false stereotype that if you’re a minority in college you got help from affirmative action, and avoid a current trend where people are accepted to school’s in over their heads, struggle to succeed and feel stereotyped because of it (look at dropout rates). I see attending a good college as an achievement first and foremost which is why I draw a line when Universities are drafting policies to accommodate one race over another. You’re playing with people’s lives and hard work.
To intentionally revise the standards of academic admission in an attempt to equalize ends is just wrong and I’d argue it’s counter productive in terms of results and affecting a racial culture change. I’m white, no expert on the topic, and I have little stake in this game now as a happily employed graduate though, and so I have no interest in writing a dissertation or fact based research paper as this discussion properly demands. The bottom line is though that this article deserves a much better discussion than the monolithic outrage it’s received. Step it up NorthWestern!
- Hmm on October 18th, 2012 2:16 am
I’m actually really like to know if Zink sees every minority at NU as an affirmative action charity case that didn’t get in based on merit but instead on, apparently, race. Because OBVIOUSLY, race is the only factor in admissions!
- Just my opinion on October 18th, 2012 2:50 am
What is with this idea that just because something it an “opinion” it can’t be right or wrong.
Consider the following: I believe that cars should be banned because a single car traveling a certain distance produces the same amount of harmful emissions as a jet airliner traveling the same distance.
I’ll tell you right now that I don’t anything about the comparative environmental impacts of cars and jets, but I do know this: If it’s not true that cars generate as much CO2 as jets, then I’m WRONG.
But that’s just my opinion.
- Do this Experiment on October 18th, 2012 5:56 am
You say that we are no longer a segregated society. Do this experiment:
2pm in the afternoon, take a walk west down the 5900 W block of Division street in Chicago. When you cross Austin Blvd into Oak Park, IL observe the differences in housing, the skin color of residents, and overall quality of life of the people walking down the street.
Experiment #2. Take a tour of New Trier High School in Winnetka. Then, take a school tour of Fenger High School in Chicago. Better yet, don’t even go that far south into the city. Take a tour of any neighborhood CPS high school and then come back and write an opinion piece on your observations. JUST rely on your observations. Talk to some of the students at both schools, and ask them if the “American Dream” is obtainable. (WBEZ Radio is doing a news series similar to this: http://www.wbez.org/series/curious-city/question-answered-how-does-perception-american-dream-differ-around-chicago ).
I will look forward to your new opinion piece after you’ve done this experiment.
- Booker T. Washington on October 18th, 2012 8:17 am
Hey let’s get rid of those Indian reservations too! And why are we paying military pensions for a bunch of soldiers who fought in wars that happened when we weren’t born yet?! In fact let’s only shoulder responsibility and sacrifice for things that happened when we were alive! Because after all it’s only about us right? None of our generation should be responsible for the sins of our forefathers.
Except you’re living in a fantasy Sydney! African Americans like me have always always always been, as a whole, inferior in America. Most black Americans aren’t the descendants of skyward-gazing immigrants who came here seeking a better freer life. We came West on slave ships. White America committed a historical wrong and should make an honest effort to make it right. That was the idea behind reconstruction, until it was cancelled, and that’s the idea behind affirmative action, unless it gets cancelled.
The idea that the precious precious meritocracy is somehow in danger is hilarious. Wait until you graduate and look for jobs and find that ‘who you know’ will generate more opportunities and interviews for you than anything you put on the resume. Yes, maybe college admissions are the last precious bastion of meritocracy, but for goodness sake, affirmative action has been going on for years, and it’s not as if the quality of ‘college’ has somehow suffered.
Race matters. And every time you or your friends refer to the neighborhoods west of Ridge as ‘shady’ or ‘dangerous’ or dress up as gangster rappers for costume parties you are having a dialogue with America’s long dark racial past. As level as the playing field is, the practice facilities are still wildly unequal.
And Sydney you are probably facing more rancor than you ever expected, but you have kicked the proverbial hornet’s nest. You can either stonewall and wait for Ann Coulter to swoop in and rescue you, or you can try to understand where all these angry people are coming from. I hope you choose the latter.
- Richard on October 18th, 2012 9:07 am
If the college admissions were truly a merit-based system, then only criteria would be reviewed: SAT/ACT score and GPA. But it is not. It is a holistic approach that views the entire sum of a person. Ms. Zink attended a summer theater program at Brown University (cost $7,000). Did this experience find its way into her admission application? She attended an elite private school in Atlanta (cost $20,000+ annually). Was the identity of her private school included in the application. One of her biggest laments at home is that her household is without HBO. Both of her parents are corporate attorneys with university educations from Princeton, Emory, and UVA. Is it wrong for Northwestern to seek to diversify its offering of an elite education to those who have not enjoyed such life privileges? Moreso, why is Ms. Zink so unrelenting to acknowledge the life blessings bestowed upon her and to seek to share with others?
- Roger Almendarez on October 18th, 2012 9:19 am
Affirmative action, while it may help get you into an institution, will in no way help you graduate from one. The assumption inherent in this piece is that students of color are not only initially unqualified, but will also continue to be unqualified throughout their tenure, thus making affirmative action wasteful. The idea is to provide ONE extra deciding factor to a student’s application that will help in their acceptance. Affirmative action isn’t a pass for the unqualified, but rather an equalizer to help account for disparities in other arenas. You state in your writing that “one is more likely to hear…sneers about [rich white people]..than anything… [negative] about minorities.” This is a general statement that is simply a case of bad writing. “One” does not exist here, but rather “you” is what you should use. YOU feel that you don’t hear/see racism. Hence, YOU assume that racism doesn’t exist. The belief that YOUR point of view and perception should trump others is akin to what can be classified as a racist mentality. If people of color feel that racism still exists, and the numbers demonstrate that people of color are disproportionately disadvantaged, then there is clearly something that is affecting people of color. White supremacists have argued that “minorities” are in their lower class positions because there is something inherent in their races that makes them prone to failure, poverty, etc. Rather than make this same assumption, the writers of Affirmation Action legislation decided to assume that society was to blame, rather than race. While affirmative action has not cured social inequalities among people of color, it has definitely helped, and will continue to give those less fortunate the help necessary to rise up. As a nation, we agreed that affirmative action was/is necessary. Until we see figures that truly demonstrate that Affirmative Action doesn’t help those segments of the population that need the extra boost (including women), it needs to stick around. Otherwise, things for people of color will only get worse, which is, at the end of it all, what you are advocating for in your piece of writing. You’re at Northwestern, be happy, and don’t assume that every person of color you see is around you simply because of affirmative action. Unless you can see people’s applications in their entirety, your assumptions about them are merely reflections of your own beliefs.
- Richard on October 18th, 2012 9:22 am
The author’s dream colleges were USC (Cinematic Arts) and NYU (Tisch) for film study. Is this article reflective of some bitterness or frustration on her part for presumed rejections from these schools? Mummy and Papa can buy you a summer program experience, but can not guarantee you admissions to the dream college of your choosing. A bigger question: Why was she selected to be a columnist when she admits that “I have not had any formal background in journalism before arriving at Northwestern”? Maybe the editorial staff of the Daily employed “affirmative action” to include diverse voices of opinions from the likes of inexperienced and unproven freshmen with Southern plantation viewpoints. If it were a meritocracy, she — like Abigail Fisher — would not and should not have been selected to pen such high school like editorials.
- nu_soph on October 18th, 2012 9:48 am
Although the author’s opinion is not popular, I do agree with it. From my own personal experience, I was rejected from univ of michigan, but accepted to NU. Although u of m has had legal issues in the past over affirmative action has supposedly changed its ways, I still think remnants of the system are still there. Their application even asks you to talk about a “community” you belong to, which may mean they look for more diverse students over academic merit.
- Thomas on October 18th, 2012 10:14 am
You claim Michigan looked for diversity over academic qualities. Did you not submit SAT/ACT scores and a high school transcript? Perhaps these colleges are seeking to add to their student body more than just resume-padding, grade-grubbing, fact-citing, helicopter-parented, one-dimensional robotrons. A community of uniformity does not suit the purpose of enlightening young minds. Get over it.
- College Alum on October 18th, 2012 10:19 am
Wouldn’t get to worked up about it. This student has been in college for all of a month and is just parroting stale talking points — not even offering a thoughtful, fresh or personalized take on the issue. The low raw admissions data for URMs debunks everything she says.
- Haters gonna hate on October 18th, 2012 11:33 am
I’m white (though by no means blonde, blue eyed, or rich – and it’s fine if you are any of those things) and people always told me my foreign zip code on my application was what got me into Northwestern (my family lived outside the US for most of my life). How do I know I actually deserved to be there? I graduated in June with honors and am now going to med school. Idiots are homogeneously distributed and will always try to bring you down. Doesn’t matter if it’s race, where you applied from, or whether you had a point more or less on some stupid standardized test. If you’re not dropping out of college you deserve to be there (and even if you’re dropping out, it might have nothing to do with how bright you are; life gets tough sometimes). It’s idiots like Abigail Fisher that don’t realize they got rejected because they’re stupid, not because they’re white. Reading this column made me cringe. It’s sad that racism rears its ugly head at NU in such ways. It’s obvious, especially after the article about Kellyn Lewis and friends published during the 2011-2012 school year, that the Daily has no standards. Ms. Zink, didn’t your mother ever teach you that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing? I hope you benefit from some of the amazing professors at NU (Michelle Wright, Celeste Watkins-Hayes to name a few) and are able to broaden your horizons. Sit down for coffee with these amazing women and feel free to ask them your most controversial questions. I dare say they will be much more forgiving and understanding than this online thread. I’ll admit they are stronger, more patient people than I am.
- Joe Smith on October 18th, 2012 11:38 am
People are still missing the point. Fundamental question is should school’s be able to draft policies designed to disenfranchise a particular race based on perceived or statistically evident privilege? Furthermore should admissions policies include race at all? Should race be the primary indicator of a barrier and is college admissions the proper place for accounting for them? Statistical indicator: Schools where admission policies promote racial preferences see a greater disparity in graduation rates between races. Isn’t this counter-productive to changing bigoted attitudes about race? Shouldn’t diversity be seen as more of a happenstance of schools selecting the most qualified students with the most intriguing essays and experiences, rather than making the assumption that with racial diversity comes intellectual diversity? Focusing on broad sweeping rules intended to tilt the scales towards one race, inherently at the expense of another, is just bad policy and it hurts race relations.
- B. Johnson on October 18th, 2012 12:37 pm
I think dumb people are vastly under-represented at our nation’s top schools. I think we should include programs to increase the diversity of intellectual capacity at these institutions.
- Sally Verdad on October 18th, 2012 12:45 pm
When I went to NU, I attended a focus group for a consulting company, mainly because there was free pizza. Since there was free pizza, I asked a friend to go along, too. The focus group was about shopping behaviors, from what I can remember. And several white students complained that when shopping at clothing stores, employees are always asking, “May I help you?” If we need help, we’ll ask for it, we said. Well, a Hispanic student eventually pointed out that when she goes into stores, she often is not asked whether she needs help, and she assumes it’s because the workers think she doesn’t speak English. Now, that is not a traumatic experience. At least, I think it isn’t. But I find examples like that to be compelling. It’s those little way of life things that illustrate race most strongly. Like the idea that almost every black parent, at some point in time, tells their kids how to respond when a cop wrongly pulls them over. Or the countless stories of black, upper-class Americans driving around nice neighborhoods to look at houses, and someone calls the cops.
- H.E. Pennypacker on October 18th, 2012 12:47 pm
I think that the author brings up a great point. America should not have to jump after any sort of reparation it can find for a past that we are admittedly not proud of. Affirmative action is a degrading system in both schools and work that is fundamentally opposed to what our nation was founded on: capitalism and fair chances. The fact that a person is black should not mean that he can charge 20% more than a white contractor of equal credentials for a public project and still end up winning it. America has admitted to her wrongdoings and has made a concerted effort to undo it. What ever happened to that sage piece of common sense that two wrongs don’t make a right? We were wrong with racism. But should we try to correct that with a new form of racism that is balanced the other way? I think not. Equality of results is not what America believes in, and should not be something we pursue through programs like these.
- Sally Verdad on October 18th, 2012 1:01 pm
One more point, and I think this has been brought up in the comments, is the idea of “merit.” Let’s say I went to one of the best high schools in the country, where pretty much everyone is gunning for the Ivy League, and I have many older classmates who can give me advice on college admissions. I take an expensive prep course for the ACT or SAT, and end up with a score that puts me in the ballpark for admission to NU.
Compare that to a kid who is pretty much the only person in his small, rural district looking to go to college out of state. He does all the research on his own, and studies on his own for the tests, does about as well as anyone from his school has ever done, and scores a bit lower than the person mentioned above. Who has more “merit”?
Through being at NU, many of your preconceived notions will change, and some will stay the same. One of my closest friends at NU was an immigrant, and she got into a bit of a snafu when her tuition bill was sent to her parents, and they couldn’t read English. So here she is having to handle her own bills and all the college paperwork, while my parents just write a check for me. How many times, when homework stumped me as a kid, did I just go ask my dad for help? What if that was not available to me? What if I had to work in high school, and college? How would that have impacted my grades, or my ability to pad my resume by going out for certain activities? Just look at your life and think about how wonderful your circumstances are. Sure, I worked hard. But I can’t say I worked harder than my friend, who had lower grades than I did but might have been tripped up a bit by, well, doing almost everything on her own.
- DW on October 18th, 2012 1:59 pm
Yo she said that “Affirmative action is no less an ill than the ones Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. sought to cure.”
I can’t believe y’all allow stuff like that to be published. Pro-con column series or not, that’s one of the most ridiculous sentences I’ve ever seen printed.
- Warren Lawson on October 18th, 2012 2:24 pm
It is as unfortunate today as it was in 1972 that some white folk don’t or can’t GET IT!!! The laws on Affirmative Action provide a level playing field for everyone. Universities can now look at a number of qualities, including grades, to insure a rich and diverse environment for all students. By the way, I know one our Affrican American alums, whose son was a 4.0 student who did not get into NU because he didn’t do anything but study. Sure he had the grades, but what else could he bring to NU. So this young lady, and the young lady who filed that Supreme Court lawsuit didn’t get into the school of their first choice, but they got in somewhere. Some of us may not have gotten in NU but for Affirmative Action.
- Sarah on October 18th, 2012 2:59 pm
As an Evanston native (and student at Oberlin College), I think it is crucial to contextualize this article’s “dangerously short sided” perspective in Northwestern’s larger geographic community. The city of Evanston struggles with and unfortunately, exemplifies, widespread racial inequality. While I agree with previous commenters who have encouraged Zink to (academically) explore her white privilege, I’d also encourage her, and all of Northwestern, to recognize the deeply established oppressive systems in Evanston. The Evanston School District has a history of structural racism. The school board and faculty are constantly developing ways to lessen racialized and gendered achievement gaps, provide support to historically marginalized students, and in doing so, improve the school system. I am most disturbed because this article demonstrates Zink’s complete disregard of the community around her. I understand that she is new to Evanston, but I fear that her ignorance (and lack of commitment or understanding of an Evanston that exists beyond Davis St.) is more common than Northwestern might like to admit.
- Dara on October 18th, 2012 3:15 pm
Ya know. After graduating from Northwestern in 1996 and returning in 2006 to live I went to the library to get alumni library privileges. I marveled at all of the enhanced technology and everything that had changed. All the librarians excited to assist me, all the electronic reference materials that make research a snap. And I realized while reading this so called column, that this individual is not taking advantage of the resources available to all Northwestern students, and that absolutely no research on this topic could have ever been done that would ever result in this conclusion or point of view. Any person doing the slightest bit of investigation would have no other choice but to conclude that the real Affirmative Action winners have been White Women. Go figure!!!- A 2 second goggle search would have yielded that.
- Eric Krupke on October 18th, 2012 4:19 pm
So many things wrong with this, (including the false merit-race dichotomy) but the thing at the end got me: so women are still being oppressed, but people of color are not? WHAT?
- Appropriate Link on October 18th, 2012 4:26 pm
- Sasanka on October 18th, 2012 7:10 pm
“A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.”-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
So much for your thoughts that “affirmative action is no less an ill than the ones Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. sought to cure.”
- Truth Speaks on October 18th, 2012 9:51 pm
Seriously? Do some research. The greatest benefactors of affirmative action are actually white women. It is not a race-based policy as opponents would like to portray it. You might be a “victim” of affirmative action yourself. Check your ignorance at home.
- Randon on October 18th, 2012 11:18 pm
The child wrote, “Proponents argue that affirmative action is necessary to make up for centuries of slavery and segregation, in which virtually none of us living today were participants.”
I must really be old at 53 because I was alive during the Colored Only water fountains & Negroes in the back of the bus era. Does the child realize that Civil Rights Acts were passed in 1964, 1965 & 1968, and that many schools were not desegregated until the early 1970’s?
People over 50, by one measure, are over 43% of the population – that’s not “virtually none.”
Journalistically, the article needs much work. There may actually be a point to be made, but first one needs to fully understand the issue. That requires real research and facts.
- NU Alum from the 90’s on October 19th, 2012 9:16 am
As a proud black alumna of Northwestern, this type of article, which is not well written, lacks credible research and facts is truly embarrassing. I would invite Ms Zink to live, just ONE day as a minority in these United States of America. I would guarantee her perspective would change and her emphathy quotient would rise exponentially. I pray your experiences at NU give you some truly real world perspective, expose you people with wildly different experiences than you and prepare you better for the real world. Alumni like myself are depending on it, because this written article, not because it is a viewpoint different than mine, but for it’s lack of academic and factual integrity is not up to the standard of Northwestern. Period.
- Required Reading on October 19th, 2012 11:39 am
How timely: The Reader’s feature article this week is a case study between two high-performing high schoolers–one black from the South Side, and one white from the North Shore. Required reading for Ms. Zink.
- Janissia Orgill on October 19th, 2012 12:29 pm
I guess the Daily now lets anything get published now a days.
I wonder if she knows that the people who benefit most from affirmative action are white women…and if she has ever considered that maybe she got in due to affirmative action.
This article reeks of ignorance and bigotry.
- akibabu on October 22nd, 2012 7:45 pm
Everyone needs to settle down, I think she gets it now…
- Alum on October 23rd, 2012 5:21 pm
This lecture by a UVA law professor basically debunks all of the assumptions in this column: http://www.law.ua.edu/pubs/lrarticles/Volume%2050/Issue%201/Delgado%20-%20Affirmative%20Action.pdf
I encountered the lecture in an Asian American Civil Rights class at NU. The school needs to implement a core requirement in social justice or comparative ethnic studies; these topics are equally important as–if not more than–any of the other requirements I was forced to fill during my time there, and provides us with the social sophistication and historical perspective that we need to maintain credibility in conversations with the top legal, philosophical, political and economic scholars of our time.
- Hugh on October 24th, 2012 1:00 pm
You have just convinced me that I need to register with the NU alumni association to help interview incoming students so that the likes of you will hopefully not be offered admission.
- KR on October 24th, 2012 2:00 pm
This is embarrassing for Northwestern. Simply embarrassing.
- Disrespectful on October 25th, 2012 4:47 pm
This is offensive to all minorities in higher education schools. You’re telling them that they are successful because of the color of their skin, not because of the hard work they’ve done over the course of their lives.
And affirmative action isn’t just for minorities. It’s meant to give people who weren’t born as privileged as others a chance to be successful.
- Ioana on October 30th, 2012 6:04 pm
I am a Northwestern Alumni and am appalled at the superficiality of this argument. I believe MLK did want equality but fact is – we are not all equal. People from minority backgrounds need to work harder than white citizens to get where they deserve to be. I believe Abigail Fischer might have been rejected on grounds other than pure race. Maybe white people of her own socio-economic background with lower test scores and GPA knew how to portray themselves better and got in. This type of opinionated writing should not be published by the daily. If discourse is meant to be sparked, then an article should be objective, weighing in pros and cons. I think offending people and implying that people from minority backgrounds did not get in by their own merits dilutes Northwestern’s quality of education.
Logical reasoning teaches us that if someone sub-par was admitted, he/she will perform at a sub-par level….and if admitted through unfair matters, they will fail to meet the criteria of an university. Now, I believe that most students from minority backgrounds do not fail their classes and go on to become impressive people. Maybe Michelle and Barack Obama would have never made it into college without affirmative action – they both come from underprivileged backgrounds. Fact is, they are now the President and First Lady of the US. Other examples include Judge Sotomayor. How can this problem be brushed under the carpet by the administration.
I am 100% for affirmative action and I am 100% white.
- John Peter Charles al-Dawoud McSquiddums Parker Lloyd Arthur Nose James James Couchandpotato Webster-La’mont’e(urchin)-Fawxy Worcestershirebury, Priest of Cthulu on October 31st, 2012 7:24 pm
I think that someone should do something about all the problems.